No, I don't hate the article, I hate big pharma and all their poison drugs. I don't care for the entire stone age medical mafia. I will not be forced to inject anything into my body and I have no control over anyone else's health. We should all be free to make our own decisions as adults and what you decide is your choice, not mine. I am not responsible for the outcomes of some other person's choices. If I don't get your poison mRNA injections and I die, so be it. I died a free man. You can never in a million years prove that any vaccine or mRNA injection will save any life.
In December 2020, I was desperately trying to find a way to get the new covid vaccine shot early for both me and my family. But then, I heard a few dissenters. They were doctors. They were scientists. They were researchers. I carefully read and considered their arguments. I never presumed to know more than those on either side nor understand completely the complexity of the virology and immunology involved. These dissenters challenged, but were never seriously engaged by the those in government or the community. They were never rebutted point by point. They were either loons or they held serious, legitimate concerns. I decided to remain vaccine-free. More than not having any regrets, I am relieved and eternally grateful to those who risked everything and spoke up.
Thank you for this excellent piece of writing, confusion compounds amongst us and it’s so helpful to encounter comprehensive documentation of the shitshow as it now stands.
Scary that the willing abdication of free will of the Milgrim response endures regardless of who’s wearing the white coat. Power corrupts those who wield it AND those who submit. Latent hostility was also a factor in that experiment, transmitted in a way from the testers to the subjects. A fear response curdles into sadism between individuals and spreads to group mind, collectively emerging as the atrocities that Desmet warns about.
I especially appreciated your gambit towards the dosed remorseful, it’s hard to know where they stand, it’s tragic actually that their unfounded fear of Covid is now real. Novel pathogen indeed. The responsibility they bear for having been duped is likely to stay buried except in the rare few as it did in Germany after WWII.
This comic from The Oatmeal employs a similar gambit in a clever way and describes the mechanism at work in all of us which can sadly be applied in reverse as method of coercion.
Thanks for you kind and insightful comment. Thanks also for your funny and informative Oatmeal link. Humans are more flawed than they want to admit, and better than many can spot in others and themselves. Humans are inherently paradoxical and seemingly incapable of selecting decent leaders most of the time.
My request that our daughter wasn't injected was ignored and mother and daughter did it behind my back. I only found out when an appointment for a second came in the post. It is torture.
"...the dosed, remorseful or otherwise, were either wittingly or unwittingly ignorant of whatever the undosed knew."
Wrong. I absolutely, categorically knew. Had read up copiously until I was 100% certain it was a 100% wrong. Unless you were subjected to the perfect storm of covid-recovered, job threat, divorce threat, children voluntarily jabbed despite abject pleading and begging, and a subsequent despair the depths of which you cannot even begin to imagine - you have no right to accuse those who were coerced of witting ignorance. This is the equivalent of accusing those who are raped as wanting it or dressing provocatively.
And this was a rape. Make no mistake about it.
There is a category of "dosed coerced enraged". Remorse has nothing to do with it. I consider myself part of a berserker class. A class which you would want on your side. I have been a highly vocal defender of all those in my institution who managed to stay jab-free and have formed a tight-knit group with them. We have each others' backs. I have found a rage that will never ever allow anyone to force me to do anything against my will again. My family know it, and stay clear of the topic. It is the only way in which we have been able to continue to function. It may be a Faustian deal, but that is what it is.
Thanks for your engagement, feedback and candour. Yours is a valuable contribution and deserves recognition and a serious response. VST accepts the point you make and wishes to address the line you highlight, especially considering that the article tries to recognise the various forms and effects of coercion:
"In order for someone to have been dosed, they must have believed something even if that was just the credibility of the threat they were subjected to e.g. no jab, no job mandates, social exclusion, financial penalties. Anyone subject to a mandate can clearly say that they were effectively coerced into getting dosed. People subjected to a highly coercive environment could say similar.
"For some reason - likely to include the belief in one or more of JH’s claims above or coercive force - ~70% of people dosed themselves."
Although the above is spread throughout the article, all of it recognises that various forms of force and coercion have been brought to bear on many people, from both the state and other sources (including family). This would include the extremely difficult circumstances you describe. The sentence you highlight is conditional and lives within the context of the whole paragraph:
"On a simple level, the dosed remorseful either gave into pressure or believed the wrong thing. If they believed the right thing (even at the time), they wouldn’t be remorseful now as remorse stems from a retrospective change in understanding. The wrong thing was what made up the entire Covid narrative and the dosed, remorseful or otherwise, were either wittingly or unwittingly ignorant of whatever the undosed knew."
This para may better include your reality with the addition of "...or subjected to force they could not resist."
Your point about being in a different category and/or that the category of "dosed remorseful" is inadequate or too simplistic is taken. This article was written with people who largely complied until something came along that finally changed their mind. That clearly isn't you. As we said, "Let’s consider two simple cases - the “undosed” and the “dosed remorseful”." VST is not suggesting that they are the only cases.
Shortly after VST was launched, this dystopic story, "Baseliners - How the war was won" was published. In it, people akin to what you call "dosed coerced enraged" were darkly characterized for dramatic effect re the severity of what VST anticipated lies in the future:
"Unnaturals began to awaken to feelings of fatalistic spite and understood that even their late Baselines and class actions opened a second front that would hamstring the system and sap it of resources and capacity...
"The awakening, spiteful unnaturals came to realise that they, their families and friends faced the same fate of impending death and began to embrace the same, nihilistic objective. Destitution would not last forever thanks to the now recognised deleterious gene therapies that sullied most of the world."
That undoubtedly comes across here as a dark and depressing characterisation, when lifted from the story, but we highlight it to demonstrate an early and longstanding recognition of what you describe as a "berserker class". Obviously, it is that class who are one of the key drivers of the demand for restitution in various forms for various harms rendered, as well as the undosed who have had rights infringed etc. Ultimately, it is only in the collective, constant and co-ordinated action of as many objectors as possible that some compensation will be extracted but, as VST has pointed out many times, while that work goes on and draws attention and effort, the true and constant agenda(s) grind on, and that's what humanity fails to take a hold of.
Thanks for sharing your insight and feedback, apologies if the article didn't do enough, carefully enough to more clearly recognise your circumstances, but hopefully you will acknowledge that it does try to recognise coercion in its various forms.
Thank you for your thoughtful response, Ignasz. In the greater context of the article, I do recognise the nuance. I am fully committed to this fight, together with the unjabbed, whether they choose to recognise me or not (clearly you do, so no hard feelings). And this is despite the ever-present possibility of (still) losing that which is dearest to me. The loneliness of experiencing your life-partner turn completely against you, utterly blinded to the deception and violently convinced that you have turned into a social misfit, and the sheer terror of not being able to stop your children from succumbing to the peer pressure of university mandates, was enough to drive me in to a suicidal state. Taking the jab was a manifestation of that. For if one's loved ones have taken an unwitting path that only leads to destruction of self and an ultimate perversion of all that's natural and human, what is the point of staying behind? I was able to transcend that, fortunately, but it leaves me with an incandescent rage, and a determination to speak against all and any further mad designs of the Globalist Totalitarianista. I don't know if I can protect my family from this or what damage is done - the battle is ongoing with the climate catastrophisers now preparing the next fear smorgasbord - but I'm damned if I'll let these monsters turn my kids into self-loathing, compliant nihilists.
Great article. ClimateGate should have buried the AGW scam. The fact that it returned with a vengeance only a few years later, very much alive and kicking, should have made me realise it was more than just a great misadventure, but very much deliberate. The Covid & Ukraine scams made me realise the extent to which the masses are being led a merry dance.
it found research subject's willingly provide answers they perceive as false in order to go along with the group consensus. the participant believes others asked the same question are also participants.
I wrote this (you may hate this comment) about Amy Sukwan's article about a possible Nuremberg 2.0:
"Nuremberg was a farce but at least is was a farce about (not) punishing mass murderers of innocent, unwilling victims in a war.
This is not the case here. As far as I know, no one had to "take the jab" at gunpoint. Everyone acted out of their own freewill and brought up whatever consequences of their action on themselves. In that regard, justice has already been fully served. Those who believe the lies of their authority figures are guilty for doing so. They were "just following orders", only this time they were the target.
Regarding responsibility of said authority figures, I refer you to Katherine Watts substack, which will make clear to anyone the legal framework was tweaked enough in advance so that they will get off scot-free.
That leaves just one category of people who are not yet held accountable, nor will in my opinion ever be: the parents (including pregnant women) who forced the jab on their own kids."
Wouldn't you know, no one liked it or replied to it. Which means that people consider "accountability" a one-way system and that, in my opinion, the next operation will be just as successful as this one.
Great compilation of important research. Some of us rejected the jab on instinct, having watched the DS from 2001 on throughout the Trump presidency, knowing that the jab was a trick. But we could not have known the depth of the depravity to be revealed.
No, I don't hate the article, I hate big pharma and all their poison drugs. I don't care for the entire stone age medical mafia. I will not be forced to inject anything into my body and I have no control over anyone else's health. We should all be free to make our own decisions as adults and what you decide is your choice, not mine. I am not responsible for the outcomes of some other person's choices. If I don't get your poison mRNA injections and I die, so be it. I died a free man. You can never in a million years prove that any vaccine or mRNA injection will save any life.
Being undosed, you were unlikely to hate the article.
In December 2020, I was desperately trying to find a way to get the new covid vaccine shot early for both me and my family. But then, I heard a few dissenters. They were doctors. They were scientists. They were researchers. I carefully read and considered their arguments. I never presumed to know more than those on either side nor understand completely the complexity of the virology and immunology involved. These dissenters challenged, but were never seriously engaged by the those in government or the community. They were never rebutted point by point. They were either loons or they held serious, legitimate concerns. I decided to remain vaccine-free. More than not having any regrets, I am relieved and eternally grateful to those who risked everything and spoke up.
Thank you for this excellent piece of writing, confusion compounds amongst us and it’s so helpful to encounter comprehensive documentation of the shitshow as it now stands.
Scary that the willing abdication of free will of the Milgrim response endures regardless of who’s wearing the white coat. Power corrupts those who wield it AND those who submit. Latent hostility was also a factor in that experiment, transmitted in a way from the testers to the subjects. A fear response curdles into sadism between individuals and spreads to group mind, collectively emerging as the atrocities that Desmet warns about.
I especially appreciated your gambit towards the dosed remorseful, it’s hard to know where they stand, it’s tragic actually that their unfounded fear of Covid is now real. Novel pathogen indeed. The responsibility they bear for having been duped is likely to stay buried except in the rare few as it did in Germany after WWII.
This comic from The Oatmeal employs a similar gambit in a clever way and describes the mechanism at work in all of us which can sadly be applied in reverse as method of coercion.
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
Thanks for you kind and insightful comment. Thanks also for your funny and informative Oatmeal link. Humans are more flawed than they want to admit, and better than many can spot in others and themselves. Humans are inherently paradoxical and seemingly incapable of selecting decent leaders most of the time.
In my family i am the nutjob
My request that our daughter wasn't injected was ignored and mother and daughter did it behind my back. I only found out when an appointment for a second came in the post. It is torture.
"...the dosed, remorseful or otherwise, were either wittingly or unwittingly ignorant of whatever the undosed knew."
Wrong. I absolutely, categorically knew. Had read up copiously until I was 100% certain it was a 100% wrong. Unless you were subjected to the perfect storm of covid-recovered, job threat, divorce threat, children voluntarily jabbed despite abject pleading and begging, and a subsequent despair the depths of which you cannot even begin to imagine - you have no right to accuse those who were coerced of witting ignorance. This is the equivalent of accusing those who are raped as wanting it or dressing provocatively.
And this was a rape. Make no mistake about it.
There is a category of "dosed coerced enraged". Remorse has nothing to do with it. I consider myself part of a berserker class. A class which you would want on your side. I have been a highly vocal defender of all those in my institution who managed to stay jab-free and have formed a tight-knit group with them. We have each others' backs. I have found a rage that will never ever allow anyone to force me to do anything against my will again. My family know it, and stay clear of the topic. It is the only way in which we have been able to continue to function. It may be a Faustian deal, but that is what it is.
Thanks for your engagement, feedback and candour. Yours is a valuable contribution and deserves recognition and a serious response. VST accepts the point you make and wishes to address the line you highlight, especially considering that the article tries to recognise the various forms and effects of coercion:
"In order for someone to have been dosed, they must have believed something even if that was just the credibility of the threat they were subjected to e.g. no jab, no job mandates, social exclusion, financial penalties. Anyone subject to a mandate can clearly say that they were effectively coerced into getting dosed. People subjected to a highly coercive environment could say similar.
"For some reason - likely to include the belief in one or more of JH’s claims above or coercive force - ~70% of people dosed themselves."
Although the above is spread throughout the article, all of it recognises that various forms of force and coercion have been brought to bear on many people, from both the state and other sources (including family). This would include the extremely difficult circumstances you describe. The sentence you highlight is conditional and lives within the context of the whole paragraph:
"On a simple level, the dosed remorseful either gave into pressure or believed the wrong thing. If they believed the right thing (even at the time), they wouldn’t be remorseful now as remorse stems from a retrospective change in understanding. The wrong thing was what made up the entire Covid narrative and the dosed, remorseful or otherwise, were either wittingly or unwittingly ignorant of whatever the undosed knew."
This para may better include your reality with the addition of "...or subjected to force they could not resist."
Your point about being in a different category and/or that the category of "dosed remorseful" is inadequate or too simplistic is taken. This article was written with people who largely complied until something came along that finally changed their mind. That clearly isn't you. As we said, "Let’s consider two simple cases - the “undosed” and the “dosed remorseful”." VST is not suggesting that they are the only cases.
Shortly after VST was launched, this dystopic story, "Baseliners - How the war was won" was published. In it, people akin to what you call "dosed coerced enraged" were darkly characterized for dramatic effect re the severity of what VST anticipated lies in the future:
"Unnaturals began to awaken to feelings of fatalistic spite and understood that even their late Baselines and class actions opened a second front that would hamstring the system and sap it of resources and capacity...
"The awakening, spiteful unnaturals came to realise that they, their families and friends faced the same fate of impending death and began to embrace the same, nihilistic objective. Destitution would not last forever thanks to the now recognised deleterious gene therapies that sullied most of the world."
https://veryslowthinking.substack.com/p/baseliners
That undoubtedly comes across here as a dark and depressing characterisation, when lifted from the story, but we highlight it to demonstrate an early and longstanding recognition of what you describe as a "berserker class". Obviously, it is that class who are one of the key drivers of the demand for restitution in various forms for various harms rendered, as well as the undosed who have had rights infringed etc. Ultimately, it is only in the collective, constant and co-ordinated action of as many objectors as possible that some compensation will be extracted but, as VST has pointed out many times, while that work goes on and draws attention and effort, the true and constant agenda(s) grind on, and that's what humanity fails to take a hold of.
Thanks for sharing your insight and feedback, apologies if the article didn't do enough, carefully enough to more clearly recognise your circumstances, but hopefully you will acknowledge that it does try to recognise coercion in its various forms.
Thank you for your thoughtful response, Ignasz. In the greater context of the article, I do recognise the nuance. I am fully committed to this fight, together with the unjabbed, whether they choose to recognise me or not (clearly you do, so no hard feelings). And this is despite the ever-present possibility of (still) losing that which is dearest to me. The loneliness of experiencing your life-partner turn completely against you, utterly blinded to the deception and violently convinced that you have turned into a social misfit, and the sheer terror of not being able to stop your children from succumbing to the peer pressure of university mandates, was enough to drive me in to a suicidal state. Taking the jab was a manifestation of that. For if one's loved ones have taken an unwitting path that only leads to destruction of self and an ultimate perversion of all that's natural and human, what is the point of staying behind? I was able to transcend that, fortunately, but it leaves me with an incandescent rage, and a determination to speak against all and any further mad designs of the Globalist Totalitarianista. I don't know if I can protect my family from this or what damage is done - the battle is ongoing with the climate catastrophisers now preparing the next fear smorgasbord - but I'm damned if I'll let these monsters turn my kids into self-loathing, compliant nihilists.
Great article. ClimateGate should have buried the AGW scam. The fact that it returned with a vengeance only a few years later, very much alive and kicking, should have made me realise it was more than just a great misadventure, but very much deliberate. The Covid & Ukraine scams made me realise the extent to which the masses are being led a merry dance.
along with Milgrim's obedience to authority is the desire to fit in / conform to the group - studied by Asch - coined as the Asch effect:
https://www.simplypsychology.org/asch-conformity.html
it found research subject's willingly provide answers they perceive as false in order to go along with the group consensus. the participant believes others asked the same question are also participants.
I wrote this (you may hate this comment) about Amy Sukwan's article about a possible Nuremberg 2.0:
"Nuremberg was a farce but at least is was a farce about (not) punishing mass murderers of innocent, unwilling victims in a war.
This is not the case here. As far as I know, no one had to "take the jab" at gunpoint. Everyone acted out of their own freewill and brought up whatever consequences of their action on themselves. In that regard, justice has already been fully served. Those who believe the lies of their authority figures are guilty for doing so. They were "just following orders", only this time they were the target.
Regarding responsibility of said authority figures, I refer you to Katherine Watts substack, which will make clear to anyone the legal framework was tweaked enough in advance so that they will get off scot-free.
That leaves just one category of people who are not yet held accountable, nor will in my opinion ever be: the parents (including pregnant women) who forced the jab on their own kids."
Wouldn't you know, no one liked it or replied to it. Which means that people consider "accountability" a one-way system and that, in my opinion, the next operation will be just as successful as this one.
Great compilation of important research. Some of us rejected the jab on instinct, having watched the DS from 2001 on throughout the Trump presidency, knowing that the jab was a trick. But we could not have known the depth of the depravity to be revealed.