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Ann Glover's avatar

Nothing should be mandated. Ever. Period. Bodily autonomy is sacrosanct. Death is an unavoidable inevitability. How each of us faces it, tries to avoid it, or eventually meets it, is nobody else's business except our own. If I choose to take absolutely nothing thing in the face of a 100% fatal disease, that's my prerogative. Even if somebody were to discover the elixir of life itself, I will reserve my right to choose. Everything else be damned. My life is my own. My death is my own.

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Michelle's avatar

Beautifully and precisely put, and exactly what I’ve been saying since the beginning of this sham. Without bodily autonomy, you have nothing.... no rights, no protection, nothing.

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Ann Glover's avatar

Thanks, Michelle. I liken my body to the last frontier. My skin being the border. I get to issue the visas and entry/exit permits. I, alone. I am the sole arbiter and ruler of the sovereign lands of my body. While laws and "social contracts" with governments may have some control over my actions, and while societal norms may influence or inform my interactions with others, neither get to dictate the workings of my cellular being and the decisions I make to look after it (or not).

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Ignasz Semmelweisz's avatar

Herd immunity thresholds (howsoever the immunity is acquired) are an indication that mandatory vaccination isn't technically justified. NNTV is a measure that also demonstrates in some ways the relative efficacy of a vaccine using potentially woolly (severe case) or seemingly hard (death caused solely by...) metrics. In the case of COVID, NNTVs are off the charts using a corrupt definition of severe case because a COVID case is only based on a positive test, not symptoms, and can be acquired in hospital where the admission was for something else. Therefore, the "severe case requiring hospital admission" becomes corrupt and meaningless. It is now known that most countries just invented case numbers and death numbers, so all the COVID data is actually meaningless. Thus, it's basically impossible to claim there was an actual pandemic based on the numbers currently published. Ireland's Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, is on record admitting proudly that they classed people who died of cancer as COVID deaths without any form of symptom or test i.e. they defrauded the Irish people. His sociopathy and idiocy is demonstrated in just that one clip.

Such circumstances make it radically harder for the average Joe to make a rational medical decision for himself and those he is responsible for. This in itself warps the concept of bodily autonomy.

Cancer treatment is probably one massive area where the patient is going to have a very hard time making a truly rational, individual decision about what to do, especially when it comes to chemo, which by its nature massively affects health and lifespan.

Bodily autonomy should remain the bottom line and there should be no defacto or actual mandates for medical treatment or intervention (note the co-ordinated state backing of euthanasia for mental health i.e. practically anything). However, it is clear that the intellectual and informational basis of individual decisions is corrupted and biased by the system in which those decisions are made. This is a design feature of the system for wholly obvious reasons that have nothing to do with patient health, wellbeing and longevity.

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Ann Glover's avatar

Yes, it's become clear that medicine and health have diverged catastrophically. I have often pondered what I would do in the face of a cancer diagnosis, given that my mum died of the purported cure way before the diagnosed disease was able to kill her. I'm not convinced there are rational decisions that can be made in the face of the void.

Since the mandates rolled over me at work and nearly crushed me, I've ditched my doctor (tried to push the second jab on me despite my distress at the effects of the unwanted first). I will try anything other than returning to allopathic butchery and drug peddling. I have a functional medicine GP who also practices homeopathy. Has passed my mandate test (does not support them), is knowledgeable (both specifically, medically, and broadly on matters ethical and philosophical) and is genuinely engaged with me as a whole person and not just a sack of cells, germs, blood, and vessels. That's as far as I will go back into the halls of any doctor.

When I face the void, I'll just have to face it. I have found it useful to try to cultivate my spiritual outlook more, than fret about an ephemeral corporeal future. It's ultimately a chimera.

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Merfy Mac's avatar

Remarkable patience.

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Ignasz Semmelweisz's avatar

Patience is not necessarily what's involved.

This qualitative evaluation of HBV and R-A, although triggered by Jikkyleaks' tweets, took less than 20 minutes to conclude based on all the cited NHS and UK government material, including the time it took to read the cited materials. The material is simply written and superficial i.e. it does not in and of itself drive the reader/patient into deeper levels. It is designed as a self-contained product, which is its true weakness. The NHS "guidance" on both vaccines is utterly laughable and nonsensical in both cases. Jikkyleaks precisely highlights this in HBV. VST has largely strung/fleshed out what Jikkyleaks said and employed a second source (HSE) as contrast, although that source in and of itself undermines the case for neonate HBV vaccination and the NHS HBV vaccination "guidance", as VST spells out.

The content of this article is practically self-evident on pure logic alone. It is trivial to work this out as soon as one reads the cited material or considers the "pre 1980s" case (pick a year, any year). This is actually the most damning thing about the two vaccines - the "business cases" for them in the context of neonatal vaccination do not logically stand up, before one checks medical or scientific evidence of cost/risk benefit (incorporating safety, efficacy and placebo RCTs).

What took a long time and (some degree of) patience was writing out all the obvious things that fall out of the NHS, OVG and HSE material in this probably tedious and overlong way.

Mentally arriving at these thoughts took no time or patience at all, which is an even greater indictment of the UK's childhood vaccination schedule and those who blindly peddle and conform to it. As long as one does one's own analysis and thinking, one's decision either way is "defensible". VST suspects that in the majority of cases, like in the US, the majority do not spend 20 minutes evaluating two "recommended" neonatal vaccines.

Jikkyleaks makes another point about diphtheria - it's practically eradicated so what's the point? VST didn't go down that rabbit hole... for lack of patience.

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Crosscat's avatar

Correction - it’s an oral dosed vaccine, not injected

“ Although the following is actually obvious, this is what’s going on:

The attenuated virus vaccine forcibly and artificially infects the infant by injecting them with a virus that is naturally transmitted by the fecal-oral route. Injection bypasses all immune defences presented in the oral pathway;”

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Ignasz Semmelweisz's avatar

Apologies, thanks for the correction. I did actually read that after I posted the article but forgot to sort it. Genuine thanks for flagging it.

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Ignasz Semmelweisz's avatar

We've made a correction per your observation and added an unrelated postscript to do with prevalence data.

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Helen's avatar

I received a vax against TBC on my first day of living mid 60ies...later on got vaxed against pox (at school as far as I remember) and then all girls lined up to receive the shot against rubella....the TBC vacs did more harm than good so they quit this in the beginnings of the 90ies in Germany. later on late 80 ies I had to take vax against hepathitis to get one year residence permit in Brazil. yep. this should be stopped. any tourist can visit Brazil without being coerced to take a vax, but students (like me) had been bribed to take without real informed consent.

We need an investigation into all these issues to be more firm and consistent.

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Michael Kowalik's avatar

While there are no quick remedies for systemic deception, and little hope of a remedy for human ignorance or stupidity, there are remedies for all coercive, present and future medical mandates. These are defeasible within the existing ethical and legal frameworks: https://michaelkowalik.substack.com/p/why-vaccine-mandates-are-unethical

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